Is there any progress on the issue? Should we plan to go to court now ?

I am also an employee of State Bank of India. I am retired from Army on 31 Jan 2008 and join SBI on 21 Sep 2011 as an Armed Guard. My initial pay fitment in SBI also wrong as per the circulars. They calculate Basic+Grade Pay+DA at the time of my retirement. So my basic became less. If they calculate only Basic+Grade Pay as per the Circulars/Office Memorandum then naturally it goes high. How SBI take the new formula for pay fitment. How the problem solved. So many ex-servicemen suffering with this formula by PSBs.

State Bank of India exservicemen employees have taken a very bold step to rationalise the pay fixation policies in public sector banks. Lot of Exservicemen are effected by these discriminating policies. Some of us are drawing basic pay less than a cash peon. So I want to share this information with all of you and at the same time appeal to you to lodge grievances from all possible platforms so that all channels get flooded with our grievances due to irrational pay fitment policies in bank.
माननीय प्रधान मंत्री महोदय,
पूर्व सैनिंकों का सादर नमस्कार , जुलाई २०१४
विषय:- पूर्व सैनिकों की पुनर्नियुक्तिपरान्त बैंक में वेतन निर्धारण एवं सेना में प्राप्त मूल वेतन की मांग पर बैंक अधिकारीयों द्वारा दी जाने वाली मानसिक एवं आर्थिक प्रताड़ना के सम्बन्ध में
हम सभी का आपको विश्व के सबसे बड़े गणतंत्र का नेतृत्व करने का अवसर मिलने एवं प्रधानमंत्री बनने पर हार्दिक शुभकामनायें!
हम सभी सैनिक, जिस निष्ठा से देश की सीमाओं की सुरक्षा की है, उसी निष्ठा से देश की आर्थिक व्यवस्था सुधारने हेतु आपके द्वारा दिए गए निर्देशों को लागू करने मे अपना योगदान देंगे, ऐसा वचन देते हैं I इस पत्र के माध्यम से हम आपका ध्यान बैंक के ऐसे नियम की ओर आकर्षित करना चाहते है जो पूर्व सैनिकों के पुनर्नियुक्तिपरान्त उनके वेतन निर्धारण में असमानता पैदा करता है I
२. बैंको के द्वारा हमारी वेतन का निर्धारण इस प्रकार से किया जाता है कि महंगाई भत्ता को महत्व हमारी सेवा को दरकिनार कर देता है i ऐसा आवश्यक नहीं है की किसी पूर्व सैनिक को तुरंत नौकरी मिल जाये I क्योंकि उसे प्रतियोगिता परीक्षाओं में शामिल होना होता है, परिणाम का इंतजार करना पड़ता है और तब तक महंगाई भत्ता जो सेना से अवकाश प्राप्ति के समय था उसमे काफी वृद्धि हो जाती है I बैंक में उन पूर्व सैनिको का वेतन सेना में प्राप्त वेतन एवं महंगाई भत्ता के योग के बराबर या उससे ज्यादा इस प्रकार से निर्धारित किता जाता है क़ि बैंक का मूल वेतन एवं महंगाई भत्ता मिलकर जो सेना में कुल मूल वेतन एवं महँगाई भत्ता का योग था, उससे ठीक ज्यादा हो I ऐसे में यदि किसी को चार या पांच सालों तक नौकरी नहीं मिली तो बैंक में उसका मूल वेतन घटता जायेगा क्योंकि महंगायी भत्ता बढ़ रहा है और कुल योग सीमित है I
३ इस त्रुटि को बैंक अधिकारीयों के सामने लाने की हमने भरपूर कोशिश की लेकिन उनके कानो पर जूं तक नहीं रेंगी और इस कमी को छिपाने के लिए हाथ धो कर हमारे पीछे पड़ गए I इस वजह से हमारे ही सहकर्मी को जो हमसे बाद में अवकाश ग्रहण किये और बैंक में लग गए उन्हें लगभग हमसे दोगुना वेतन मिलता है जबकि सेना में हम एक ही वेतनमन में कार्यरत थे. ऐसे में हमारे परिवार आर्थिक तंगी से जूझने को मजबूर है I हमारे बीच भारी असंतोष है I बैंक अधिकारीयों से किये गए पत्राचार की प्रति आपके द्वारा त्वरित समाधान हेतु संलग्न है I
४. सभी विवादों का निपटारा न्यायालय से हो, ऐसा जरुरी नहीं है I हमारी कोशिश थी कि आपसी बातचीत से इस त्रुटि को दूर कर लिया जाये लेकिन हमारे सारे प्रयास विफल रहे I ऊपर से हमारे वेतन से लगातार कटौती कि जा रही है कुछ पूछने पर हमें नौकरी से निकालने की धमकी दी जाती है . (चेतावनी पत्र की प्रति संलग्न)
५. बैंक द्वारा पूर्व सैनिकों के वेतन निर्धारण के सम्बन्ध में जारी पत्र संख्या ई-१२६३ (सी डी ओ /पी एंड एच आर डी-आई र/७४-२०१३-१४ दिनांक १८-०२-२०१४) के अनुसार बैंक में हमारा मूल वेतन एवं रु २०० का योग सेना में प्राप्त अंतिम वेतन (जो की पे इन बैंड+ ग्रेड पे +एक्स ग्रुप पे +मिलिट्री सर्विंग पे +रिक्लासिफिकेसन पे ) के बराबर या उससे ज्यादा होना चाहिए( प्रति संलग्न-१) I इस पत्र में सेना में प्राप्त अंतिम वेतन का निर्धारण रक्षा मंत्रालय द्वारा दिनांक २४ जुलाई २००९ को जारी पत्र संख्या १/६९/२००८/डी( पे /सर्विसेज )के आधार पर किया जा रहा है जो की गैर अधिकारी वर्ग के सैनिकों के लिए जिन्होंने सेना में पुनः रोजगार नहीं पाया है , पर लागू नहीं होता ( प्रति संलग्न-2)I (गैर अधिकारी सैनिकों के अवकाश प्राप्ति पूर्व वेतन दर्शाने वाला पत्र संलग्न-३)
६. सेना में बीस साल की नौकरी करने के बाद एक पूर्व सैनिक शांतिपूर्ण जीवन व्यतीत करना चाहता हैं और बड़े ही गर्व से भारतीय स्टेट बैंक में प्रतियोगिता परीक्षा में वरीयता क्रम में आने के बाद शामिल होता है I काफी मुश्किलों के बाद ये नौकरी मुझे मिली और बड़ा ही खुश था क़ि अपनी प्रौढा अवस्था में अपने परिवार के साथ जीवन व्यतीत करेंगे और शान से और ईमान से देश की जनता को बैंकिंग सेवाओं से खुश कर देश क़ि अर्थ व्यवस्था को मजबूत करने में अपना योगदान देंगे I लेकिन पूरी ईमानदारी और निष्ठा से काम करने के बाद भी मुझे इतनी कम तनख्वाह मिल रही है क़ि न तो अपने बच्चों को अच्छे कोचिंग में डाल सके , नाही अच्छे घर में रह सकता है I पत्नी और बच्चों की जरूरतों को पूरा न कर पाने की स्थिति में आये दिन प्रताड़ित और अपमानित होना पड़ता है I
बैंक में वेतन निर्धारण में भेदभाव की नीति अपनाई गयी है I सेना में समान मूल वेतन पाने वाला और समान रैंक पर काम करने वाला गैर अधिकारी सैनिकों को बैंक में वेतन कम या ज्यादा इस आधार पर दिया जा रहा है कि उसने जब सेना की नौकरी छोड़ी तो महंगाई भत्ता कितना था I उसके मूल वेतन और सेना में नौकरी के वर्षो का कोई महत्व नहीं है I दूसरी तरफ जब एक रैंक से अवकाश प्राप्त पूर्व सैनिकों के लिए समान पेंशन की व्यवस्था की गयी है तो उन्ही सैनिकों के बीच वेतन में भेद भाव होना हीन भावना को जन्म देता है I
६. अतः आपसे हम सबका अनुनय एवं निवेदन है की आप पहचान को गुप्त रखकर इस सम्बन्ध में जाँच करवाएं और इस त्रुटि को दूर करने हेतु आवश्यक निर्देश देकर हम सभी पर एवं हमारे परिवार पर कृपा बरसायें I इसके के लिए हम सभी पूर्व सैनिक और हमारा परिवार सदा आपका आभारी रहेगा I
निवेदक,
प्रताड़ित पूर्व सैनिक समूह,
भारतीय स्टेट बैंक
चंडीगढ़
नामावली संलग्न.
प्रति:-१. रक्षा मंत्री- भारत सरकार
२. पूर्व सैनिक कल्याण सचिव- भारत सरकार
३. सचिव (उत्तरी क्षेत्र) -पूर्व वायु सैनिक संगठन
४. माननीय सांसद ( चंडीगढ़)- श्री मति किरण खेर
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It is quite frustrating to read the reply of DOPT which is given to me after constantly pursuing the issue for three months. DOPT has deliberately ignored to address the issue raised and instead it tried to say that MSP is not to included for pay fixation. My point is whether increasing DA should be used as a tool to cut short the benefits extended to exservicemen. As per present pay fitment policies only those exservicemen will get this benefit of pay protection who are exremely lucky enough to get reemployment immediately after discharge from Defence Services. In some cases we have seen that Pay fitment of some exservicemen has been done in a manner such that the ESM gets basic pay less than a cash peon. Let us join our hands to fight it out friends.

Pay fixation exserviceman in PSUs

Date of retiremennt from IAF 16 Noc 2006
Basic pay+grade pay + X pay Rs 15060
Joined IOB 15 Oct 2012
Basic Pay fixed in iob 8400, I rsfused to accept
Open university MA , graduation pay not given

Are the belongs to ESM banking .

I am agree with u. Also I want some clarification that whether ExM will get both the DA i.e. on Pension and in Bank Salary

Dear Exservicemen Friends since three years we have been raising this issue through different platforms. As a result IBA has taken some steps to console us and published the Ministry of Finance circular dated 17 Feb 2014, which is nothing but reiteration of earlier DOPT circulars. IBA has tried to prove that the MOF circular dated 17 Feb 2014 is sufficient to remove the existing discrimination among the ex servicemen employees in PSB. I am well aware of the fact that the aggrieved exservicemen are not at all satisfied with this sort of revised guidelines. So I have requested DOPT to take up the issue after I was advised by our Ex servicemen Welfare ministry. Request submitted on 21 Jan 2014 vide PG portal. On 18 Feb 2014 the whole issue has been forwarded to DOPT pay section where the disposal is still awaited. In the mean time I requested Ministry of Finance Banking Division to clarify on the procedure of inclusion of DA for the purpose of initial pay fixation of ESMs. But the intent of MOF Banking Division is not positive. It is noted that none of the officer is willing to take up this matter sympathetically for redressal. Also they are not willing to inquire into the procedure of pay fixation of ESM. It is therefore decided that after 15 days or one month if we do not get satisfactory reply from DOPT, it will become imperative to serve a legal notice to Banks, IBA and MOF Banking Division on this issue. So, dear friends, at this critical moment we all need to come together and support each other with full determination and courage, for which we are known all over the world. My telephone ********61. My email supratik69@gmail.com.

dear all
my discharge is jul 2005 just before 5 mths beofe pay commission joined bank of india in may 2010. the payment is more than my last pay drawn i was equally paid with new joinees from civil pl give any clarification regarding pre 2006 pay fixation

rgds
barani kk

MOD is sleeping

the DPE memo is issued on dec 2012

wef 2007
why to blame SAIL GAIL ONGC all psu

when MOD is late by 09 yrs in pay fixation guidelines for all military pers joining PSU

now after vijaya bank i have to fight with SAIL to get my basic refixation since appoinmrnt in 2008 dec from vijya bank



Basic pay finalization would not exceed the maximum of the scale & residual amount would be paid as personal pay this personal pay would not count for any purpose including DA

My basic -27300-

22300 max of scale -= 5000 must be paid as residual amount as personal pay this personal pay would not count for any purpose including DA

as per the self explanatory DPE om dated 14.12.12



2. Basic pay at my previous Govt employer – (as revised now , with effect retro respectively ) respectfully drawn till date of my honorable release through proper channel on (11.12.08) from VIJAYA BANK )– as 27300- higher to the maximum of the prescribed Pay scale of my appointment with basic pay as 17500- as existed (on 12.12.08 on joining SAIL ) - (17500-4%-22300) later revised retro respectively to 36600-3% 62000

Registration Number : DEABD/E/2013/01759
Name Of Complainant : colonel R S Shekhawat
Date of Receipt : 28 May 2013
Received by : Department of Financial Services (Banking Division)
Forwarded to : Vijaya Bank
Contact Address : Head Office,41/2, M.G.Road,


Bangalore


560001
Contact Number : 0********66
Grievance Description : : R e-fixation Pay protection on re employment in PSU banks –
Ex Staff Code 20803 Manager SECURITY
MAJOR Rajinder Singh Shekhawat
1.please refer; - GOI ministry of finance letter dated 28.8.12 copy attached
I served in Vijaya bank as Manager SECURITY MMG-II in the pay scale 13820- 19920 from 5.2.07 to 11.12.08, and
was Honorably released through proper channel on my selection to Govt CPSE -SAIL VISL as( E4) Manager SECURITY

in the pay scale 36600- 3%- 62000 on 12.12.08 2. Vide Para 3 of above quoted GOI letter i. Having served the PSU (Govt) bank -after 2006 ii. Legally eligible, for pay re-fixation based on the pay drawn at the time of discharge from the Army Inclusive of pay band + grade pay but not MSP -6000 a)
-As Major my pay band –3 in the
pay scale - 15900-39100 + 6600 as Grade pay Basic pay( at the time of joining vijaya bank) last drawn in ARMY was-25575- reemployed on 05.02.07 in vijaya bank After 01.01.2006

3.in view of the above please do re-fixation as per the ibid GOI letter arrears for the reckonable service rendered in vijaya bank ,be appropriately granted kindly instruct VIJAYA BANK to honor your letter dated 28.8.12 and release the arrears after re fixation of my pay as per the goi letter as ibid
Current Status : CASE CLOSED
Your Feedback :
Excellent
Date of Action : 06 Nov 2013
Details : The Bank has reported that the ex-employee while requesting for re-fixation of his pay did not produce the revised quot;Last Pay Certificatequot; Issued by Military Authorities. However, subsequently he has produced the revised Last Pay Certificate. On receipt of the same we have re-fixed his pay on 13.07.2013 as per Government of India/ IBA guidelines.

Our Regional Office Udupi, where he has last worked in our Bank has released the arrears amount of Rs.92936.10 on 30.08.2013, under intimation to him. The complainant has already conveyed us his heartiest thanks over his mobile No.********30
for the payment received.

The Complaint stands closed in our records and therefore we request you to treat the matter as closed and update the same in your books.

THANKS & great of VIJAYA BANK
although
i served respectfully for only 22 months in the excellent BANK of the world - VIJAYA BANK even after 05 years i had raised the issue only on email YET within in just 01 month i received the arrears
how fast how GOOD
thanks to all in vijaya bank especially in RO UDUPI in particular to shetty's & hegde's very kind of them
regards
COLONEL R S SHEKHAWAT
chief of security SAIL VISL

ministry of finanace GOI issued guidelines on pay fixation on 28/8/12 the said letter is available on net based on which i got my pay refixed in vijaya bank & received arrears 92000 for 22 omths bank service fro 05/07/08 to 11.12.08 before joining SAIL

all is good in bank & civil govt in PSU sail ongc etc

but the MOD has issued this guideliine in 2012 wef 2007 what could bank or any PSU do

so is bad in PCDA allahabad
pension reg 2008 is published in 2012

thus problem is with us not with any other the IAS babu in MOD do nothing for ex serviceman

i also support for othis cause.

Last month I appealed to exservicemen welfare ministry and the matter was taken up with Ministry of Finance which gave me the following reply

The grievance of Sh. Supratik pandey under Regd No. DPG/B/2013/80383 dt. 06.10.2013(recd. on 13.11.2013 through PG portal ). Applicant is informed that banks are autonomous in their HR matters. It has therefore been decided that IBA should take appropriate decision in the matters of pay fixation of Public Sector Banks employees/officers (including ex-servicemen), as deemed fit. However, while doing so, IBA has to ensure that such pay fixations are in consonance with DOPT’s guidelines. IBA has further been requested to ensure that all PSBs follow these guidelines in a uniform way to avoid disparity in pay fixation across the PSBs. No further action has been taken by this Deptt. in the matter
Please post your views, comments and suggestions here. My telephone no ********61 email supratik69@gmail.com

Hi feds.
It is quite frustating to all those ex servicemen who retired in 2006 2007 &2008 but re employed in 2010 2011.now our sub ordinates r also getting more salary being they get early job after retirement.. govt should make uniform policy. Jai hind

Dear Ex Servicemen friends I suggest that we should submit the whole issue for redressal by GOI through

Ms AS Lakshmi
Joint Secretary ESW
99-A
South Block
DHQ PO
New Delhi
Telephone-23011804

Please post your views, ideas, suggestions, advice, criticism on this topic .I want to make a final draft for further submission to GOI.

It is rally a big, unheard and unresolved issue.One side Govt implemented one rank one pension to fill up the gap in pension of ex servicemen pensioner.As per the rti, DoPT has clarified that there is no revised pay fixation formula for pay fixation of ex servicemen on re-employment after 1988.After VI CPC, every thing has come in part and has bi parted the unity of ex servicemen.We have to get a decision in this regard before VII CPC. Formation of CPC is already in progress> So, come a common conclusion at the earliest.
Jai Hind.